Dark Matter is Weirder than Previously Thought

Dark Matter is Weirder than Previously Thought

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A new study has unveiled that dark matter is more mysterious and weirder in nature than previously thought. Not only it is difficult to detect but it also makes up 85 percent of the mass of the universe. However, dark matter does not emit any radiation like stars and galaxies, which hinders its direct observation. For the new study, 72 collisions between clusters of galaxies have been analyzed by astrophysicists to detect the movement of stars, clouds of gas and signs of dark matter.

With the aid of the Hubble Space Telescope, observations were taken in visible light and were combined with X-ray images from the Chandra Observatory, NASA’s telescope which has been designed especially for the detection of X-ray emissions from very hot regions of the universe like exploded stars, galaxy clusters and matter around black holes. Information from stars was captured by the Hubble Space Telescope whereas the gas clouds were featured in the Chandra images.

Dark matter does not glow in the electromagnetic spectrum but its gravitational influence on visible matter can be felt. Warping of space-time can bend light passing near dark matter in much the same manner as a lens. Huge amounts of both ordinary and dark matter are present in galaxy clusters. Thus, collisions between systems allow the detection of the influences of dark matter on massive collections of traditional matter. The location of dark matter has been inferred by the scientists by analyzing the behavior of visible matter.

Richard Massey of Durham University stated “We like these collisions because it’s exactly what we’d do in the lab. If you want to figure out what something is made out of, you knock it, or you throw it across the room and see where the bits go.” The study revealed that regions of dark matter passed directly through one another without interacting. Stars mostly traveled through empty space and thus had little interaction with each other. However, during collisions, gas clouds came to a virtual standstill.

David Harvey from the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) in Switzerland commented “We know how gas and stars react to these cosmic crashes and where they emerge from the wreckage. Comparing how dark matter behaves can help us to narrow down what it actually is.” Evidence of dark matter was found in previous observations of the Bullet Cluster, which is a collision between a pair of large galaxy clusters, and according to the observation, the dark matter exhibited a few interactions, even with itself.

The existence of dark matter has been theorized since the late 1960s and the new study has provided further physical evidence supporting its presence. However, according to most of the theories, such collisions would have slowed dark matter but in the new study no such behavior was noticed, which calls for the development of a new theory about the mysterious substance.

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  • CbyN

    While dark matter is by and large the leading candidate to explain galactic rotation curves, this result suggests that alternative theories of gravity are to be taken a
    little more seriously. At some point, if the matter fails to interact
    on any level, it may be because there isn’t any matter at all, and that the
    force of gravity at certain scales is not entirely understood.

  • Marietta Alexander

    I believe that Dark Matter is literally the Holy Spirit of Almighty God!

  • MariettaIsDumb

    I believe that you’re an idiot.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Thanks Obama!

  • GaiasChild

    Dark matter is magnetism. We just don’t understand it yet.

  • SeeTheMirror

    You don’t mean God has a Dark Soul!!!

  • Peachie

    I agree and remember we once had an ether theory, and a phogiston theory and discarded on better science,

  • Chris Gonzalez

    how do you know this if “we just don’t understand it yet”? no one knows. everyone has an opinion but no proof.

  • Jeff Selynski

    I don’t see how anything you mentioned makes DM “weirder than previously thought”. We had seen non-interacting DM in the bullet cluster and now we see he same thing in a bunch of other places.

  • Benedict_Cumbersnatch

    Ahahahahaha

  • SeeTheMirror

    Yes Dark matter exists.. only it is dark and it doesn’t matter.

  • SeeTheMirror

    But he point is, you can’t “see” dark matter anywhere or “feel” dark matter anywhere be it the bullet cluster or which ever bunch of other places they aere.. if you could “see” or “feel” it by the very definition of it, it is NOT dark matter anymore!!! So no wonder you can’t see it being any weird..

  • SeeTheMirror

    Naa I believe it to be charisma or pheromones or something like that..

  • Joanne Fiorito
  • caracoid

    Anybody hypothesize that dark matter is matter that exists in a separate dimension, which would be why we can’t detect it by any means other than gravity? If it does exist in a fourth spacial dimension, it might explain why it constitutes so much of the matter in the universe.

    For example, if you have a plot of land 10 acres by ten acres, you don’t have twenty acres, you have one hundred. So if you are just looking at the front acres–which is what we would be doing by just looking at visible matter–you’ve lost what’s inside.

    Black holes might just be three dimensional matter expanding into that fourth spacial dimension. Its not lost, it just becomes undetectable.

  • Joanne Fiorito

    stuff out of phase with our dimension….sounds very plausible

  • SeeTheMirror

    Ok how many dimensions do we have.. x, y ,z, time, and?? idiocy perhaps?

  • Saym Guy

    If that were true, then god only accounts for 85% of the known universe. I thought god was in everything. What’s the 15%

  • Saym Guy

    Time is the forth dimension.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I already have it in the list.. x, y, z , time (t)….. AND what more is the curiousity.

  • Phillip Landry

    has anyone looked at dark matter as the product of black holes, the transformed matter that it absorbes?

  • Saym Guy

    Can’t be. As was already state it’s not observable in the electromagnetic spectrum. Magnetism can be observed and calculated and we do have a better understanding of it than dark matter.

  • Saym Guy

    Curiosity is in the different and evolving theories of what dark matter is and how it exists. It may hold the solution to an almost infinite power source or key to interplanetary travel. Without curiosity, science would be at a standstill.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    Dark Matter is nothing but a fudge factor added to make up for unwarranted assumptions that modern scientists are ideologically committed to. Give up on those assumptions and Dark Matter is no longer needed.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Ok then how about idiocy?

  • Saym Guy

    Idiocy is well observable within x,y,z,time(t), we already know what that is.

  • SeeTheMirror

    We do? Maybe not completely then.. More research is on.. but does it not qualify as a dimension?

  • Saym Guy

    If it does (and I’m guessing you’re trying to be whimsical) then it would occupy the same dimension as thought. One thing I will give you is that like dark matter, idiocy seems to occupy more space and time than one can perceive.

  • SeeTheMirror

    lol yes.. I was being an ass for some amusement.. but you do have a point.. idiocy is more prevalent than we all give it credit for.

  • Saym Guy

    If it could be quantified in mass, the earth would already be a black hole.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I agree on that..

  • carol argo

    Mm!if light could be called alive,could dark Mather be called dead light?assuming the galaxy work like:-=+ be it at the quantum level or physical level.what change is -=+ affect :temperature,gravity ,electricity and anything scientist can think OK.example:computer;its base language is 0 and one right?and yet true various combination of gravity,electricity,temperature,those 0 and one say something different.the galaxy base is not – and +,its -=+

  • carol argo

    Check this:use a tic TAC toe board,now put in all the – and + possibility,now do another and put all the possibility of – = + ,now compare the two.ya !Houston we got a problem moment.

  • SeeTheMirror

    ++-=+ then -+-=- and +++=+.. so that leaves us with *+* = ? / + / = ? *+/ = ? and *-/=? putting it all together, we have +++-*+/ = darkest possible matter.

  • Carl

    The headline says DM is “weirder than previously thought,” but in the article itself I saw nothing new we didn’t already know about the stuff.

  • Travis Frazier

    You didn’t actually read the article, did you?

  • SeeTheMirror

    Me and carol argo were just agreeing with you albeit mathematically.

  • Carl

    1) This has been widely known and thus is not new

    2) Learn to spell and type

  • Carl

    Hilarious.

  • Travis Frazier

    Welcome to string theory. Theres at least 11 dimensions =)

  • caracoid

    Alright then, we’ll go back to your comfort zone where there are ten dimensions, is it? Or maybe eleven? Eleven might give you that extra bit of head room for that idiocy space you seem all too familiar with.

  • caracoid

    “Spacial” dimension.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I agrree that I have to learning grammering and spell.. no issues.. english not my mother tonguing. So you have to give me some room. (Dr. Pitman says spelling does not matter only grammaring).

    How ever you got what I was saying that you not seeing dark mater? Ergo, Language wins.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Make it 13.. I like that number plus there are too many idiots to claim space.. its not just me

    edit: Please?????

  • SeeTheMirror

    May be we should just bleach it and make it lighter? Saves everyone the trouble.

  • caracoid

    I suggest it’s time to fire your gag writer.

  • SeeTheMirror

    That would be myself. I cannot fire myself and be unemployed.

  • carol argo

    -=+ is just a symbolic usage ,since I don’t know the = point of say: electron as I don’t know the = point of electricity or gravity,or all the other one that I don’t know their name ,but I believe ,everything is affected by -=+ .never mind the math just imagine it like :positive ,neutral and negative ,

  • SeeTheMirror

    Pretending to be having a serious scientific discussion in the comments section. Aren’t we? And about something the worlds best scientists are pulling their hairs out.. we keyboard jockeys will figure it out for them while having a beer on the side.. No? Perfect.. What are the guys are CERN doing.. instead of building the LHC and stuff why not a pipeline from the brewery straight next to the computer desk.. we will find the darkest possible secret for you.. the ones that matter however dark they might be!!!

  • rdrcontrol

    Dark Matter appears to be areas where gravity exists without physical matter. Gravity exist everywhere but is normally associated with accumulations of matter such as stars and planets. Dark Matter appears to be clouds of bare gravity perhaps left over from the big bang.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    okay, I’m just a dude, not a scientist and I got a layman’s question: How possible is it that we aren’t seeing matter but just gravity behaving in ways we didn’t think was possible? Because the more us regular folk hear about Dark Matter the more it sounds like it’s nothing at all.

  • caracoid

    I was actually thinking about phase shifts suddenly releasing heat or cold at the moment of change being like the energy shooting from a black hole.

  • SeeTheMirror

    The thing is, “we don’t know” period.. we pretend to know.. that is all.. no serious scientist who knows even a tiniwini bit about such stuff here having a banter here.. we are all half baked self proclaimed scientists having an overdose of beers and hallucinating.. that is it. (Which is the “dark” matter here :D)

  • PrinceAshitaka

    ha! i was asking something similar. Can that happen tho? can there be gravity without mass?

  • SeeTheMirror

    Gravity must have no gravitas to be present where nothing is.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Carcoid.. now that you have proven your superiority.. can you please tell how something would “release cold”

  • carol argo

    Its proven (supposedly) that its Mather.is light Mather?beats me but this dark Mather sound like its light that was transformed .if I’m right about -=+ tictactoe? Dark Mather father would be light

  • carol argo

    Me I’m a truck driver

  • PrinceAshitaka

    lol. you silly.

  • SeeTheMirror

    You know what? You know absolutely as much “everything” about dark matter as any of us here.. hell all of us combined here.. which is a grand total of zero.

  • rdrcontrol

    It appears that gravity exist at least where we can detect no matter.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I hope at least it is sexy in its appearance.

  • caracoid

    I’m actually an inventor. And if everybody thought the way you did we’d be living in caves.

    I can’t tell you how many times specialists get stuck on the same tired track. And I deeply suspect that it is the very trait that makes a person well suited for becoming a scientist or engineer–an ability to memorize and grasp ideas quickly–greatly limits their ability to create original ideas.

    Seems to me the outrage you get from these people when making a suggestion from the outside comes from a deeper recognition that originality is not their strong suit and they cover with statements like “how dare you postulate . . !”

    I’ve had to deal with this kind of personality all my life.

  • SeeTheMirror

    What have you invented yet? Can you show me a prototype or something? I am also into the inventing business.. Just do not get enough time or ideas.. Can I steal one of your ideas? Please

  • PrinceAshitaka

    lol Given what we know nothing about dark matter, her theory is just as valid as anyone else’s. God is used to explain the unknown. Even Galileo used god to explain the stuff he didn’t understand. Besides something tells me she was just kidding.

  • SeeTheMirror

    BTW.. an inventor is different from a scientist.. no no.. just telling

  • lancemh

    “Fudge factor”? “Unwarranted assumptions”? “Ideologically committed to”?

    I have no idea what planet, galaxy or universe you came from genius . . .

    I do know this from my many science courses – commencing with the most basic understanding of science taught in grade school, throughout my university studies, as well as my continuing curiosity for decades about the all things science-related to understand life and this quantum universe we live in: the underpinnings of scientific discoveries – think Newton, Galileo, etc. – all derive from Aristotle’s teachings on logic and reasoning.

    Are your familiar with deductive and inductive reasoning? Ever hear of the term scientific inquiry? Do you know anything about the most fundamental nature of these applications when attempting to understand something – as in, figure out a valid solution or explanation to a question or problem?

    We observe something. More often than not, many times. It’s emanates from this wonderful characteristic we were all born with; it’s called curiosity. So now this is where a person(s) must first postulate one (or more) possible explanations for the phenomenon. They must make assumptions. At that point those “guesses” are not subject to ridicule since there is no valid answer as of yet. They are a very necessary element of the process. They are called “theories” (for the uninformed).

    Then those curious people start designing experiments to test that theory(s). Now, when we are talking about things outside of our physical Newtonian World (Earth), things get really weird. Really, really weird. The physical laws of nature that we previously thought applied to the universe are proverbially-speaking, “thrown out the window”.

    Which requires all sorts of strange assumptions, “fudging” mathematics because the math may not be the same, and not letting go of things just because someone says “your freakin’ wrong, buddy. Get over it. Let it go!”

    As in you.

    The Vatican said the same thing to Galileo. He “stuck to his guns” – as in “Ideologically committed” – both not so quietly, then later quietly, under the threat of excommunication, inquisition, execution, and eternal damnation of his soul. He also fudged a little bit because he didn’t have the understanding of stellar parallax to confirm his theory. Which was later confirmed about 150 years after his death. So how did that all work out for those arrogant geniuses in The Vatican???

    Paraphrasing Shakespeare: Me thinks that doth protest too much . . .

  • caracoid

    Do you have anything other than absurdity to offer? Whatever country you’re from, the jokes just aren’t translating. (And look up phase shifting.)

  • SeeTheMirror

    That is fine.. but how do you “release cold” ..this is a serious question,. How can you release something that has no existence? I might be an idiot, I might be unfunny and to all that I plead guilty.. but how do you release cold.. a serious question.

  • SeeTheMirror

    One analogy or example would be appreciated.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    Most anthropologists suggest that we never lived in caves, we just used them for food storage, early rituals and sex.

  • carol argo

    If 0 and 1 is the best basic building block scientist could come up with??sorry but even a truck driver like me see that our world building block is electron (negative)neutron (neutral)and if I’m right positron (positive) so shouldn’t the s ientist use the proper thing? Maybe it isn’t possible ,I don’t know but I’m am sure we(the world )are going at it the wrong way

  • rdrcontrol

    I’m not a mathematician, but I think you left out the & in your third equation.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    Come on, man, we’re just talking. you don’t have to be mean and stuff.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Well I was asked to fire myself by an inventor and I should not be upset? I mean you can call anyne anythng.. but you cannot call an idiot an idiot especially if you are a smart person and he did just that!!! C is smart..

  • PrinceAshitaka

    but…you are being an idiot. I thought that’s what you were going for cracking all them jokes.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Of course.. but you cannot say that.. what is the point in pointing out the obvious.. say something new.. that I can learn something.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I agree with them. I have never lived in a cave.. and guess what.. not even for sex.

  • SeeTheMirror

    You are right.. but you know my keyboard those keys the ampersand, the or (pipe) and not the carat and the exclamation don’t work well.. can you please include them.. or wait for the next verson.. we scientists are allowed to give wrong forumlas more than once.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    you don’t seem like the learning type.

  • caracoid

    An evaporator.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Says who.. I did pass my exam the third time around.. try it.. I will try not to disappoint.

  • SeeTheMirror

    And that is releaseing “cold” or is it “removing” heat?

  • PrinceAshitaka

    considering dark matter has been at a dead end for 50 or so years, maybe “better” science isn’t the best term.

  • caracoid

    Sounds like a philosophical question.

  • SeeTheMirror

    NO it most certainly is not.. cold does not exist.. it is absence of heat.. simply put..you cannot release darkness cos it does not exist.. you remove light and absence of light is darkness..

  • Constantin Bartosek

    For someone who has no clue of what he’s talking about, you do write a lot, I have to admit.

    Seriously, make a concise point, and then maybe you’ll be given an answer. I’m not going to waste time deciphering your rants.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    Yes, I did.

  • SeeTheMirror

    There are only two kinds of reactions possible. Exothermic and Endothermic.. one that gives out heat and therefore “releases” heat.. and one that absorbs heat and therefore “removes” heat.. and makes the surrounding cold (with less heat) as a result

  • SeeTheMirror

    Travis might rephrase it as “you did not understand the article, did you?”

    No just predicting. I am not asking it.

  • lancemh

    I made my point. This time I will be more concise. “Nice view from up there in the Cheap Seats, Constantin?”

  • urgelt

    So dark matter does not interact gravitationally with itself, but it does interact gravitationally with normal matter?

    That does not seem possible.

    All of the evidence for dark matter comes from evaluating subtle differences in red-shift from different parts of galaxies or galaxy clusters; it’s the red shift differences that reveal velocities.

    We do not adjust those red-shift measurements for time dilation, because Einstein’s SR tells us time dilation is reciprocal and thus ignorable. But GR treats time dilation as directional. So does Lorentz’s Absolute Lorentz Transformation. GPS satellites only work with directional time dilation. There does not seem to be any evidence available to us which validates reciprocal time dilation.

    If we should be factoring out time dilation from red-shift measurements, we’ll get a completely different picture of velocities in galaxies and galaxy clusters. I do hope someone will get around to testing SR’s version of time dilation.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    Yes, I did.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    You should seek a therapist if you need to pretend superiority over a complete anonymous on the internet.

  • lancemh

    P.S. I haven’t seen your name on any “white papers” published in scientific journals which are subject to peer review and criticism. Or books. Or heard your name circulating around the community of quantum physicists or cosmologists. Send me some links/references/pdf’s.
    Something . . . anything.

  • caracoid

    Excellent! You have just exhibited quintessential square-headed thinking. The specialist (firm and self-righteous in his pin-point universe picks around the edges to obscure the point being made). An original point–whether valid or not, possible or unlikely–is seen as a threat to your definition of a superior mind.

    After all, you’ve always been told you are smart; you spent all that time suffering through stifling coursework; you’ve paid your dues through your dogged sweat and blood. What gives this outsider a right to pipe up? And more deeply, why–despite all this education and sacrifice–can I still not come up with a SINGLE original thought.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    And what makes you think you’re entitled to demand that from me while posing as an anonymous on the internet? Grow up, kid. You wanna see my credentials, pay my hourly rate.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Right ho.. you have a rathe bright point in a topic that deals with dark stuff.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    Wow, you’re so smart. I’m impressed.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Sorry to have upset you.. But contradict me if you can instead of throwing a tantrum (that is how I can learn).. you are the inventor.. I am the follower.. so please give some leeway for my simpleton-ish thinking.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Thank you.

  • caracoid

    You lost me.

  • SeeTheMirror

    How could I possibly do that.. I never found you in the first place.. is that the same techniqe by which we can release cold I am trying to learn?

  • fhqry2gb

    create dark matter and we can bend spacetime to travel long distances!

  • caracoid

    I think you (perhaps purposefully) missed my point.

    You first place yourself into an area where you are comfortable concerning a topic for which you are learned. You then snipe at anybody who doesn’t live up to your standards. You do so not to “correct” them for the purpose of altruism but merely to enhance your own ego.

    The thing that makes it cowardly is that you risk almost nothing. You’re like a professional fighter who goes around looking for a fight with someone without your experience.

    Unfortunately the world is full of half-filled human beings like you who strike when safe and then coil back into their little caves.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Guilty as charged.. but what purpose are you here for? Educating others? or perhaps may be just to “feel better”.. err no that would be akin to enhancing the own ego part.. so that cannot be. Let me guess you are here for that altruistic purpose which ever it might be. I bow to thee.

    But you said release cold.. So tell me where can it be “found” to be released.

    Just that bit of a kick in my .. wherever you know my ego would sort of hurt or diminish a bit.. you owe it to yourself.. or else my ego will go unpunished.

  • caracoid

    Just go away.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I will .. I will go and fetch that cold.. tell me where it is..

  • Peachie

    Not only an apt remark but funny

  • SeeTheMirror

    Yup I am all for this thought. But wonder how much it would cost per liter and how many of it would I need to visit my dead grandma.. I miss her.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Wait a minit.. in your anger and rage and all those blinding feelings, you ended up PRAISING ME.. you were not supposed to do that. It is against the rule and normalcy.. You said I am comfortable here because it is a topic in which I am learned (wow.. that is big!!! thank you sir).. I mean.. really.. and then go on to emphasize that by saying “like a professional fighter who goes around looking for a fight with someone without your experience”.. that is double wow.. (CERN.. Guys are you listening/reading???)

    I humbly accept your praises (and blush while saying.. it was not at all required).

  • MariettaIsDumb

    That didn’t make Galileo right though. Her theory isn’t based off any evidence. God being used to explain the unknown is wrong in all cases. God of the gaps is an argument from ignorance!

  • PrinceAshitaka

    But we respect Galileo even though he was wrong. ignorance propels Science forward. Without ignorance there can not be the need to know.

  • MariettaIsDumb
  • SeeTheMirror

    You forgot the anti-christ.. he has the 15%.. God in his great spirit of kindness and (perhaps chivalry) gave him the 15%.. but there was a purpose.. Without dark you cannot appreciate light and without the antichrist, no on would appreciate God.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    Science has to admit when it does not know something. Personally, I don’t see a difference between calling it “dark” matter or calling it “god.” The whole point is we don’t know what dark matter is. I think both terms express that completely.

  • MariettaIsDumb

    There is a huge difference in calling it god. My point is the scientists are developing their theories based on actual evidence. Using a god of the gaps argument is silly because every time it has been used in history it continually diminishes. You can’t just call something god when you yourself have no idea what it is. It is ridiculous. Dark Matter is a stand in name until we figure out what it is. God is not something we’d call it because we already have a definition of god.

  • SeeTheMirror

    I am actually feeling sad that you did not find it worth your while to tell me what you are inventing or have invented.. may be just may be I would get a few ideas too and get inspired.. Nevertheless.. I love you.

  • Buddy

    Almost Hillary-esque, just missing the “at this point”…

  • bigterguy

    “All of the evidence for dark matter comes from evaluating subtle differences in red-shift from different parts of galaxies or galaxy clusters; it’s the red shift differences that reveal velocities.”

    I thought there were observable effects of dark matter on light as well. No?

  • SeeTheMirror

    Hmm.. lets see we can prove that scientifically.

    Lets assume, God Is Dark Matter.

    Lets check the properties of DM.
    It is undetectable
    It is non-interacting with normal matter
    It is everywhere.. well 85% of the time

    Let us list the properties of GOD
    God is Undetectable
    He is non-interacting with normal matter
    He is everywhere.. at least 85% of the time

    But here is the catch. God matters.. and Dark Matter suddenly has started mattering atleast theoritically which god was doing all along.

    Ergo God must be Dark Matter.

    But here is the problem.

    Per Special theory of relativity, anything that cannot be observed from a given point ceases to have causal effect.. therefore, it does not matter.. Therefore Both God and DM don’t matter.

    Now we have proved God Is DM and both do not matter.

  • Bernice

    How do we know he is Almighty? Maybe he is a paper tiger. I challenge him right now. I have to know.

  • SeeTheMirror

    This is GOD.. I accept your challenge.

  • Bernice

    Somebody hold me back.

  • SeeTheMirror

    You have lot of time.. My internet is kind of slow.. My tech support is visiting earth.

  • Bernice

    But you don’t look like God?

  • SeeTheMirror

    You can’t see me.. that is an inherent physical property of GOD.

  • Bernice

    Ahhh! DARK MATTER.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Yes.. you can’t throw light on me.

  • Bernice

    But all these animals on earth sure can. They know everything.

  • SeeTheMirror

    And it is 3 am in heaven.. hurry up will you.. or I will fall asleep.

  • Bernice

    God gets tired? I would have never thought?

  • SeeTheMirror

    Tired no.. Sleepy Yes..

  • Bernice

    Can you have more orgasms than the average human? The Bible doesn’t tell me that.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Oh sure.. but having been having problems lately.. these scientists do not give me a moment of privacy.. they keep peering at me with those big tubes up there.

  • Bernice

    Oh, I thought you said probing.

  • SeeTheMirror

    They would if they find me. So far I have managed to avoid being caught.

  • Bernice

    Then you must be God. I have to go now. A lot of fun.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Me too got to get some sleep.. cheers.

  • SeeTheMirror

    But before I sign off I have a confession.

  • RusNRoll

    Since Dark Matter can be seen but only the effects can be viewed, is it possible that Dark Matter is just a more dense area of Space/Time due to the Gravitational pull of the Celestial Body near it or has that been addressed?

  • MariettaIsDumb

    Hilarious. Tell me, where is the science in anything you just said. Just because something has an attribute of something else doesn’t make it that other thing. Water is liquid, metal can be liquid. The two are not the same. God matters? I believe you’re trying to make a joke. It’s just not a very good one.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Hilarious and It’s just not a very good one at the same time?

  • PrinceAshitaka

    But Quantum physicists DO use god to fill in the gaps. They don’t call it the God Particle for nothing. Would you prefer they call it the “dark” Particle?

  • PrinceAshitaka

    You’re not helping anyone.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    at least we agree on something, right?

  • urgelt

    Red-shift is a characteristic of observed light, bigterguy.

  • bigterguy

    I meant gravitational effects, such as the lens effect observed when galaxies are between the observer and the source.

  • lancemh

    I demanded nothing. And people who are truly credentialed have never refused to send a link to a CV or some reference on the internet. They let their work speak for them. I respect that. I simply asked for a link. Your “non-answer” response speaks volumes . . . how childish.

  • Constantin Bartosek

    1. You insulted me. Asking for my credentials after insulting me and expect a polite answer is ridiculous. If someone does that when you act like you did, they should seek a therapist.

    2. You are the one with an anonymous nickname, not me.

    3. I’m not asking for your respect. I don’t need respect from some anonymous, immature, pedantic and pretentious dimwit.

    4. Goodbye. Have a good life.

  • urgelt

    Lensing is interesting, but we can’t infer *only* from lensing the position or distance of masses that produce the lensing effect.
    The case for mass estimation, which leads us to conclude that there is undetected mass, rests on red-shift interpretation.

    Reciprocal time dilation may be true. It’s hard to want to bet against SR. But Einstein hedged his bets! GR treats time dilation as directional. And Lorentz seems to have been uncertain on this question. He produced transformations for both interpretations of time dilation.

    What’s interesting about the study reported in this article is that it suggests that dark matter has mass, but gravitationally, it only affects normal matter. It doesn’t affect itself. That’s a violation of epic proportions to understood physics. It strengthens the argument that dark matter is a mistake in assumptions and calculations rather than something that’s real.

    We really need to question SR’s reciprocal time dilation. Maybe it’s true, but we need to nail it down experimentally.

  • SeeTheMirror

    GOD helps people who help themself.

  • SeeTheMirror

    No dark matter is sort of a red herring. It is like this
    From the article:

    “dark matter does not emit any radiation like stars and galaxies, which hinders its direct observation”

    “observations were taken in visible light and were combined with X-ray images from the ChandrDark matter does not glow in the electromagnetic spectrum but its gravitational influence on visible matter can be felta Observatory” (notice X-Ray is also an em spectrum).

    “Dark matter does not glow in the electromagnetic spectrum but its gravitational influence on visible matter can be felt”

    AND THE KICKER.

    ” which calls for the development of a new theory about the mysterious substance.”

    So to paraphrase, Dark Matter rather conveniently does not interact with anything we don’t want it to interact with and, interacts exclusively with what we want it to interact with as per our imagined theory.. if it doesn’t we will give you a new theory. We told you dark matter exists and set out to find it.. and we find that its properties are the following.

    a) It is dark.. No light can be thrown upon it
    b) It has no gravitational effect between each other.. whats more it has no gravitation effect with others
    c) We cannot see or detect it
    d) We need more money;.

    Now given it has such esoteric properties, it is a heck of a lot difficult
    to detect it and ergo, prove its existance (or in short we did not find
    it). We need better equipments and time to

    a) figure out how to do it,
    b) Build that something which will do it for us
    c)blabber in-comprehensive things to keep you busy
    d) think of new things to blabber so we can blabber and keep you busy.
    e) show me the money

    And if we do not find it yet again, we will alter the properties of it (how are you going to verify those eh???) and set out to find it again.

    Sounds like a very profitable business preposition to me.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Unfortunately, that does not amount to much. right?

  • SeeTheMirror

    i thought of adding that but decided against it just for the very reason that it would be hillary-esque

  • SeeTheMirror

    Long post warning.. all those make-a-consise-point-and-may-be-I will-read school of thought.. need not read it cos either you are too busy or you are incapable of holding a thought for long and I am not interested in your capabilities or your schedule (even if I have quite a bit of free time to worry just about anything).

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    What is Dark Matter? “we don’t know”. Does it matter? “We
    don’t know’. Does it exist? “We don’t know”. Does it affect us in any
    way? “We don’t know”. How are we going to find it if at all it exists?
    “We don’t know”. Now that we know the correct answers to all the
    pertinent questions.. lets go ahead and build a HUGE intercontinental
    Kitchen Food Processor (or Mixer, Grinder or something like that (could
    be a toaster)).. costing Gazillions of $$$$$.. and start it.. WAIT .. the
    thing won’t work.. Why? Cos we have short circuit.. or perhaps a stray
    metal or both (short circuit caused by a stray metal).. and will take
    some time to fix it (not to mention the billions required to fix it).

    Why do we want to build and then fix it? To study gravity.. that very
    gravity that Sir Newton discovered or inferred using another highly
    sophisticated and expensive gizmo. (Cost about 1c a pound those days but
    this one dropped from a tree.. sort of manna from heaven).. and it is
    called an “Apple”.. which can be seen with your naked eye.

    (Notice all those spectacular photos are of galaxy and telescopes etc which have absolutely NOTHING (the photos) to with dark matter as it cannot be photographed in the first place.. We news guys have to look important and above all, objective and intelligent).

    Why study gravity.. cos we want to travel to the outer edges of space in literally breath taking time and colonize other planets.. (having already colonized the moon and the mars).

    Or because our theories are in danger of getting debunked.. we got to either find a new theory or find something, anything, that will still keep it alive and we can feel important.

    Starving Somalia..or is it Sudan (see even I don’t know or care)

    And I did not even mention “cure for cancer yet?”

  • rdrcontrol

    When the Devil left Heaven he took 1/3 of the angels with him, so the percentages are off. 😉

  • SeeTheMirror

    Hmm then explain this.. 100-85 = 15.
    100/15 = ? (HINT … 6.66….)

    Hence proved mathematically that Dark Matter, God and Devil Exist.. Where is my nobel (and sainthood combined)?

  • SeeTheMirror

    Guess what.. no wonder we all go to heaven.. because the 15% is our part of the world 😀

  • The greatest mistake that modern physics ever made was its wholesale rejection of the Theory of the Aether that resulted from a misinterpretation of the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887. Had the “science” of Physics, which is now more of a religion, developed the concept of “The Aether” unimpeded by relativistic and quantum mechanical numerical insanity we would now be living in an era of unlimited, pollution-free energy, anti-gravity automobiles (and houses), teleportation, infinite speed interstellar and time travel. Einstein and his like have put humanity back over one-hundred years now. The time has come to give a rebirth to the concept of The Luminiferous Aether and start developing workable technologies based upon a deeper understanding of this universal substance.

  • Physics itself has been at a dead end for over 100 years now.

  • Peachie

    I read the long Wikipedia article on The Luminiferous Aether and Physics is not my science but the experiments to prove/disprove the existence of aether seem exhaustive as did later experiments to support the Mickelson Morley experiment. It is not my place to dispute better scientists than I and outside the field of Organic Chemistry, but since you seem qualified perhaps you will elaborate on your dismal and let us know what properties of aether enable all the marvelous things your mentioned and we are missing. This is not sarcasm.

  • Peachie

    I am aware that the South Pacific Island war we brought lots of stuff the natives had never seen and it was marvelous and called magic and stuff called cargo and it is similar when we claim God did it when we don’t understand.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    America didn’t discover those islands, they had already been colonized by Europe well before the 1900’s so you’re point is kinda lost on me

  • PrinceAshitaka

    I disagree, I think engineering has kept it live, but as far as dark matter is concerned, we need to re-evaluate some things.

  • The fundamental, and erroneous, postulate in the MM experiment was that the Earth moves in orbit through a stationary Aether. In reality the Earth is embedded in the Aether and the entire system, Earth and Aether, rotates in unison. This is the reason the speed of light is the same in any direction as measured by MM. As for properties of the Aether that lend themselves to exploitation, the Aether is tremendously energetic. It is estimated (by quantum physicists nonetheless) that a cubic centimeter of Aether by volume (the size of the tip of your thumb) has 10 to the 109th power joules of energy (enough to boil off all the oceans of the world). I wish I had more to tell you about this marvelous substance but physics has been ignoring it for the last 100 plus years as nonexistent and as a consequence there is a dearth of material to describe it. I recommend Steven Rado’s easy-for-the-layman-to-read book “Aethro-kinematics”. You can download it from Pirate Bay. Or download it from my Dropbox at https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogxb3mn4h3o48xw/AETHRO_3.PDF?dl=0

  • Peachie

    OK I will give it a go. Thanks for your explanation

  • Peachie

    Sorry I am aware we occupied them during war, but did not discover them. And sorry my point was obsure. The thread contained religious references where “God” explained the unexplainable and my point South Pacific natives did the same but called the unexplainable magic. I just do not spend time on the unexplainable

  • featherknife

    “They” call it the Higgs Boson. The term god particle is used by journalists, and bozos who have an incomplete understanding of particle physics. Welcome to that club Prince Dungdumper.

  • featherknife

    That is a fearlessly idiotic statement.

  • featherknife

    Proof comes easy for you doesn’t it?

  • featherknife

    “Suffer the little children to come unto me.” Very kinky.

  • featherknife

    “Moreover the dog licked his wounds.” From the story of Lazarus. The only dog in the bible. Good old Moreover.

  • featherknife

    Grizzly bare gravity, to be exact.

  • Peachie

    I’m with you Bernice.

  • Peachie

    No go girl

  • Peachie

    Orgasms what are those??

  • PrinceAshitaka

    I know it’s the higgs Boson, anyone who watches TV knows it’s the higgs. But my point is that it doesn’t matter what we call it, it doesn’t matter if we associate hypothetical substances to god because god is a code word for the unknown. I think most science minded people resist using the phrase god because they don’t want Science to become a religion. The only problem with that is, Atheist already think of science as their religion and thus all the discomfort and insistence that God is for the ignorant.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    I see it now though. I’m not 100% with it, but I see it. No worries.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    As a romantic, I respect the old school notion of Aether in a whimsical way. But you’ll have a hard time selling it back to the public because that ancient theory is too simplistic a model for the universe we’ve observed so far and doesn’t account for some of the stranger stuff we’ve already seen. A lot has changed since mid evil times, man.

  • SeeTheMirror

    Of course. you should know.

  • GeorgeSorosSucks

    Kinda like… reading these comments has given me a an appreciation for other ways i might spend my time. Like waxing my dolphin.

  • GeorgeSorosSucks

    Kinda like… reading these comments has given me a an appreciation for other ways i might spend my time. Like waxing my dolphin

  • SeeTheMirror

    Yes a very good idea.. a productive one too.. makes for a nice evening.. And while at it, you might consider pedicure for it.. nice legs are sexy.

  • You are correct in stating that “The Aether” is an ancient concept. It originated with the Greek natural philosophers in 350 BC. By way of origin of the term “Aether” , in fact, was one of the Titans of Greek mythology who gave birth to their entire system of lesser gods. This concept has pervaded scientific thought from day one and it should be remembered that no scientist from the Golden Age of Physics in the 19th Century was taken seriously without a firm belief in this substance, including J. Clerk Maxwell who built his entire electromagnetic system on a hydrodynamic model of The Aether. Contrary to your assertion that Aether Theory does not account for some of the “stranger” phenomena, I have found that it places such physical dichotomies such as “the duality of light”, “the red shift” , the “aberration of starlight” and the “transverse nature of light waves” into a much more intuitively comprehensible synthesis.

  • PrinceAshitaka

    Maxwell was a numbers guy though, his specialty was Mathimatical physics. No disrespect for the number cruchers of the science world but they work in theory, not the hard stuff. While his ideas DID change science as we know it, it took better minds like Einstein to really sharpen Maxwell’s work, though I will add, if Einstein heard me say that, he’d no doubt reprimand me for it.

  • hillbillybuddha

    Dark Lives Matter or Dark Matter Lives

  • Einstein later in his life admitted that his theory of relativity did not dismiss the possibility of The Aether. He knew in his later years that he had misdirected the entire science of physics and did all but apologize for it.

  • bigterguy

    Here is one paper that discusses the lensing effect. I’m not well enough versed in the physics to follow all the arguments, but it seems to say that the lens effect proves dark matter exists.

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-4357/648/2/L109/fulltext/

  • bigterguy

    ” the entire system, Earth and Aether, rotates in unison”

    If that is the case then the Earth is a unique position in the universe, as all other bodies are in motion relative to the earth. Do you really believe that? Or am I missing something?

  • PrinceAshitaka

    I don’t think Science should be used to disprove anything, outside a court of law. I think Einstein felt the same way. He was hesitant to dismiss god, as well.

  • urgelt

    Well, you’ve proved that astronomers can infer an awful lot from very little information. Clever fellows, astronomers.

    I’d feel much better about statements like ‘this proves dark matter exists’ if we had a definitive answer to the question of SR’s reciprocal time dilation. *Every* measurement we make rests an the assumption that there is no correction required for time dilation, and that is equally true for observations of light from gravitational lensing. If red-shift is being distorted by directional time dilation, then to get true measurements we must correct for it.

    If reciprocal time dilation doesn’t exist – lots of experiments prove time dilation, but none tease out the distinction between reciprocal and directional time dilation except for GPS satellites, which are definitely directional – then everything we know about the cosmos is subject to large errors: distances, velocities, the age of the universe, dark energy, dark matter, *everything.*

  • Joanne Fiorito

    CERN doesn’t know what in blazes its doing….or haven’t you seen this yet?

    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/02/10/we-honestly-have-no-fucking-idea-what-were-doing-admits-leading-quantum-physicist/

    but they sure love those hefty paychecks their bosses throw at them as they toy with those ABC wooden blocks

  • David Boothby

    I find it interesting scientists come to all kinds of conclusions about the universe and they don’t see 85% of it. And they don’t even know what the dark matter is all about. Let’s be honest and say a whole lot of guessing is going on.

  • MariettaIsDumb

    They don’t call it the god particle because they think it is god. That is not the god of the gaps argument. Try again.

  • rdrcontrol

    A too long addition.

    We already know that time itself slows down in the presence
    of gravity. It has always been assumed that this is an effect of gravity, but what if we have the cause and effect backwards. What if gravity is simply an area where time executes slower. If time executes slower in that area, any object entering that area would have to increase its speed to maintain the same energy.

    For example if a pitcher on a train car throws a baseball at 100 kilometers per hour to a catcher on the same train car, the ball is traveling 100 kilometers per hour when caught. Now assume the train is traveling 300 kilometers per hour and the pitcher is throwing the baseball to a catcher on a station platform the train is speeding past. The catcher sees the ball traveling toward him at 400 kilometers per hour, but the pitcher sees the ball traveling away from him at 100 kilometers per hour. The ball has gained no additional energy and has the same speed as when it left the pitcher’s hand. The apparent speed and energy gain is because the pitcher and catcher are in different reference frames.

    Those areas of Dark Matter associated with Galaxies may just be areas where time executes slower; analogous to the catcher on the platform.