Overuse of Nitrogen and Phosphorous Could Bring About Devastation of Earth

Overuse of Nitrogen and Phosphorous Could Bring About Devastation of Earth

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The Earth is on its way to become inhabitable owing to the increased use of artificial fertilizers like phosphorus and nitrogen which are exceeding the planetary boundaries. The fact has been confirmed by the director of the Center for Limnology at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, Professor Stephen Carpenter who also stated that “We’re running up to and beyond the biophysical boundaries that enable human civilization as we know it to exist.”

At the beginning of Holocene period, the Earth was a much better place to live owing to the human activities that led to refined developments in social, political and religious aspects. Carpenter commented “Everything important to civilisation took place prior to 1914.” Some of the best things then included development of agriculture, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire and the Industrial Revolution and following that era the human activities began the destruction of Earth.

Prof. Carpenter and his team carried out a research regarding the impacts of carbon-driven global warming, including biodiversity loss and sea level rise. Explaining their findings the researchers stated “We’ve (people) changed nitrogen and phosphorus cycles vastly more than any other element. (The increase) is on the order of 200 to 300 percent. In contrast, carbon has only been increased 10 to 20 percent and look at all the uproar that has caused in the climate.”

They also highlighted the unnecessary use of artificial fertilizers for boosting agriculture in the US as the land is already rich in nutrients. Excessive use of fertilizers on a land already rich in nutrients is causing negative impacts and is pushing the civilization beyond safe boundaries. Some countries have land rich in nitrogen and phosphorous while many others have soil lacking these elements and they face difficulty in growing food without artificial fertilizers. Carpenter said “We’ve got certain parts of the world that are over polluted with nitrogen and phosphorus, and others where people don’t even have enough to grow the food they need.”

To avoid upsetting the ecosystem, he has advised the industrial farmers to cut down the overuse of phosphorus and nitrogen. He added “It might be possible for human civilization to live outside Holocene conditions, but it’s never been tried before. We know civilization can make it in Holocene conditions, so it seems wise to try to maintain them.”

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James Hailey a worshipper of life as it comes to him. He enjoys soft music while working on his latest manuscripts spread over his desk and his tablet on hand. His curiosity to observe everything around him and love for writing has propelled him to take up the job of a news journalist. Soon he realised, he enjoyed being at the back seat and editing all those news collected by others. He has been working as a lead news editor for both the digital and print media since the past 8 years. On his spare time he indulges in yoga to calm his hectic life style. He writes on Geology and Earth. Wmail : james@dailysciencejournal.com

  • Andrei Bilderburger

    This article is completely incoherent. Zero factual information and the raving wasn’t even entertaining.

  • Bernard Finucane

    Good to hear the planet will be inhabitable one day. Don’t know how we managed before.

  • jack

    First impression is that Stephen Carpenter missed out on the global warming pet rock. Nitrogen is everywhere and makes up the bulk of our atmosphere. I’m guessing that the author meant nitrates, which are usually the form used in fertilizer. There was no explanation as to how the fertilizers were making earth uninhabitable and yet a paragraph later the author states that other areas of the world were nitrogen deficient, almost implying an us – them situation where once again the mean old western world was living off the backs of the have-nots. And what’s with the reference to the Roman empire as one of the big 3 contributions to civilization?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    In other words, you couldn’t understand it.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Nitrogen is everywhere, but the molecule is quite stable. That is why the majority of our atmosphere is nitrogen and not locked up into rocks or plant material like carbon is.

    Plants and animals are awash in nitrogen gas but can’t absorb it or process it.
    Some soil bacteria can, and plants and animals are dependent upon them and the occasional lightning bolt for the production of nitrogen containing chemicals that they (we) can metabolize.

    Man has noticed that plants are generally starved for nitrogen, and has responded by artificially fixing nitrogen from the air through various chemical processes.

    Currently man “fixes” more Nitrogen from the atmosphere than all other forces, biological and geological, meteorological, on the planet.

    Nitrogen runoff is a significant source of pollution for lakes and even the ocean.

    Nitrogen is a fertilizer but when introduced in large quantities to bodies of water, algal growth is greatly increased. The algae grow, then die, then decompose.

    The decomposing phase is aerobic, and if the algal growth is great enough, the following decomposition is great enough to deplete the water of it’s oxygen content forming what are known as fee floating, oxygen starved dead zones, which are incompatible with any form of life that requires oxygen to survive, or any form of life that relies on those organisms to survive.

  • silverbackV

    You may be right Andrew, but remember what the liberals did to freon, the heavier than air refrigerant gas, and the incandescent efficient and inexpensive light bulb? Well, the liberals gotta have something to wring their hand and get their panties in a twist over. With soft headed and backbones politicians, we might just be seeing the end of nitrogen and phosphorus use.

  • ben smith

    Go back to reading coloring books. This article is informational, factual, and gets to the point.

  • ben smith

    Brush up on your history

  • rainydayinterns

    “…The Earth is on its way to become inhabitable owing to the increased use of artificial fertilizers like phosphorus and nitrogen…”

    What? So are things getting BETTER?

  • jay

    The Earth is on its way to become inhabitable

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Incandescent light bulbs emit over 80 percent of their energy in the form of heat, and less than 20 percent in the form of light.

    CF and LED bulbs on the other hand emit over 80 and now close to 90 percent of their energy in the form of light.

    Sorry ape boy, but Incandescent bulbs were spectacularly inefficient.

    As to freon being heavier than air….

    Density is a bulk property of materials. It is not a concept that can properly be applied to individual atoms or individual atoms in solution.

    Like salt in the ocean, Freon, once dissolved into the air has no applicable property called density. And like salt in the ocean once dissolved into the air, freon will remain dissolved into the air and will not magically sink to the ground for the same reason that salt does not sink to the bottom of the ocean.

    Your knowledge of science appears to be close to zero.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Voting Republican will ensure that.

  • jack

    Thank you Vendicar for the detailed explanation. This is part of the glaring omission from the article. While algae blooms are a byproduct of fertilizer overuse I don’t think their presence is so prevalent as to rise to the status of the sky falling. In the US the most well known algae bloom I believe is Lake Erie. You’d think with all the runoff there would be problems in the whole Mississippi River valley. I’m not downplaying the seriousness of fertilizer runoff but to make an implied leap from the Roman civilization to the end of the world is a bit of a reach by author Hailey.

  • ben smith

    I Guess catering is the route you would take huh, as if every democratic voting leach is what’s good for the planet. Already proved to be the worst thing for our country

  • Charles Dumas

    “The Earth is on its way to become inhabitable …”. Well that’s good news.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Lake Erie is only one of the problem regions. The biggest dead zone is in the gulf of mexico near the Mississippi river delta.

    There are other large, yearly dead zones along the American east coast.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Aquatic_Dead_Zones.jpg

  • rainydayinterns

    It is a shame that the GOP are ruined by idiots like you…

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Currently 80 percent of all labor is wasted producing products that are designed to fail, or maintaining a system of paperwork to support those manufacturing and sales efforts.

    The global economy is unsustainable, meaning that it can not be sustained.

    Nature will ensure that mankind lives within it’s means through a mass die-off if man does not transition to a sustainable economy.

    Republicans are an impediment to that transition.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    i have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar.

  • silverbackV

    Just as forecasted, you got your panties in a twist, though in your case you probably put the on that way. Your faulty science in no way influences the sane people in this country and world. If you don’t like it here, gather up your group and return to your home plant. Ours will carry on very well, thank you. Stalin called you people ” usefull idiots”, we find nothing usefull about you except as the butt of jokes.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    How long have you been mentally ill Ape Boy?

  • Gerald Moore

    Brush up on your chemistry.

  • Francois

    Loved reading your comments, very factual and entertaining. God speed in your battle against stupidity or also known as The GOP.

  • Keepit Simple

    Shouldn’t the 1st sentence say “uninhabitable” instead of “habitable?”

  • jack

    So does this mean that the Chinese, who are doing their best to catch up with us, are doing it right because they are communist?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You would see more of them but Republican news providers invariably block my responses, or delete them after they are posted.

    Keeping their flock ignorant is Job #1 for the Republican media.

  • danb82

    Wow. This article is just a little too crazy. It’s like saying we are on our way to killing the last pair of xxxxx fish in the ocean. I doubt that we are able to make the world “uninhabitable”. Unfriendly, yes. Almost there already. But humans are like roaches. We’ll find a way. Don’t worry.

  • danb82

    Nah, it just means they don’t have media parrots and talking heads to confuse them.

    Humans are like roaches – we’ll find a way to survive. I’m not worried.

  • Tim Karlson

    The Earth is on its way to become inhabitable… Or, uninhabitable? If one cannot get past the first few sentences of an article without incurring errors, the article is not worth reading. Take pride in your work James. Proofread it!

  • VendicarDecarian0

    The Chinese government is run by trained engineers and intelligent men who know the extent of the problems in China.

    The Republicans think that the earth is 6,000 years old and that “evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.”

    You might note the difference.

  • danb82

    LOL… if you’re a plant, non-human, or fish, yeah!!

    I wish them the best too, but for now, my slice of paradise is doing just fine.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    If you were moral, then you would have concern for more than humans.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Yup.

  • danb82

    He’s got too much pride already. Check out his executive summary or whatever it’s called

    ” Soon he realised, he enjoyed being at the back seat and editing all those news collected by others. He has been working as a lead news editor for both the digital and print media since the past 8 years. On his spare time he indulges in yoga to calm his hectic life style.”

  • danb82

    Of course, you can tell I am not “moral” . Whatever that means.

    And your post

    ” The Chinese government is run by trained engineers and intelligent men who know the extent of the problems in China.

    The Republicans think that the earth is 6,000 years old and that “evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.”

    You might note the difference. ” is really telling. I can see that YOU have morals of course!!. ROTFL

  • HalfMooner

    Ah, the romantic Good Old Days argument! Pre-modern times, when life was “… solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.”

    The second paragraph of this article is filled with, not science, but instead wishful nonsense that begins and ends with the unevidenced assumption that everything about antiquity was good, and everything about modernity is bad. A beautiful dream, or I should I say hideous nightmare.

    As one of billions living today only thanks to modern medicine, nutrition and sanitation, I beg to differ.

    We will not and cannot return to societies in which almost everyone (aside from robber barons and the clergy) toil from dawn to to dusk using human and animal muscles to wrest meagre livings from the soil. The earth cannot produce enough food in the Good Old Ways to keep our more than seven billion people from starving. Not even close.

    Do the authors of the study care that billions would die? Which billions, by way? Do they volunteer themselves for this honor?

    No, if we are dangerously polluting the earth with nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers (for argument’s sake, let’s assume the authors are correct on this point), we will need our mightiest tool, science, to overcome the problem.

    Trying to resurrect the squalid past simply won’t work.

  • ben smith

    Thanks for clearing up what unsustainable means. I Love people that respond like they’re extremely educated and just sound ignorant. Stop typing with your nose pointing at the ceiling.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I see that you don’t know what morality is.

    Morality is a term that refers to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is the key concept in all codes of morality.

    In your statements you indicate that you reject that rule and hence reject morality.

  • ben smith

    Lol, this guy is a moron. Way to smart for the likes of you and I ……Bahahaha

  • jack

    You need to reread the article. The earth is becoming INHABITABLE. Happy days are here again. Otherwise, you’re right.

  • ben smith

    Oh my god dude. Lol, your an idiot

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You are quite welcome Ben. You needed the correction since you had clearly forgotten.

    Is it your goal to further the cause of mass extinction?

    That is clearly the Republican goal.

  • ben smith

    Lol, your an idiot.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I’m sorry you didn’t understand the response Ben.

    Maybe you should ask your daddy to explain it to you.

  • danb82

    Son, there’s a bigger world than just a tiny message board on a Sunday morning. You are confused if you think all the republicans here are representative of all across the nation.

    You should be getting some love right now, not dreaming about how 20 Repu-gs you have argued with are representative of the gene pool. I’d be getting wet if my annoyingly Liberal lady lover wasn’t out of town til Monday.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I’m sorry you didn’t understand the response Ben.

    Maybe you could ask your grade 4 teacher to explain it to you.

  • ben smith

    Lol, your just way too smart dude, get off the pc and go do something smarty pants. Like get fuuucked

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Isn’t resurrecting the squalid past the goal of the U.S. Republican Party?

  • WilburPost

    Google News really needs to limit the “news” sites it links to. This is another one of those sites that does shoddy rewrites of stories it finds elsewhere, and is simply a vehicle to post advertisements top, bottom center, everywhere.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    No mike. You are way too stupid.

    Do you see the difference?

  • Moohamed

    The fact you called an incandescent an efficient light bulb, tells me you are grossly under qualified to say any thing about complex systems.

  • ben smith

    Lol anyway, your a moron, trying very hard to cut and paste your responses to stay relevant. This is old, and your an idiot

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Eradicating the Republican party should be the primary goal of all moral people.

  • ascpgh

    Why do these articles never, ever mention, yet discuss conservation of mass? No one “makes” or “uses up” carbon or any other element. Barring discussion from the very minority physical chemists and the tiers of briefly existent, man-made Lanthanide and Actinide series elements, it is the case. That’s intellectually so far over the heads of typical political swamp creatures we’d need to use scalars most familiar to astrophysicists to enumerate.

  • Moohamed

    Close? You my friend, are much too kind.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Or even simple systems.

    Ape Boy is a typical Republican. Ignorant to the core.

  • danb82

    Well, start your looting and burning and you’ll get there someday, maybe.

    Can you breathe? Are you Mike Brown? Go to town. Start your looting and burning now.

    Because we can see you are the moral one.

  • The article’s first sentence states “inhabitable”. Was the writer joking? I believe he meant “uninhabitable”. The writer should try editing his own articles.

  • Moohamed

    Ok I’m sorry I didn’t know you have mental issues, I retract my previous comment and will simply say, seek help!

  • VendicarDecarian0

    My aim will be much more precise than simple looting.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Run away… Inferior… Run away…

  • danb82

    Listen dink, in the wintertime some people prefer incands bulbs, except for outside fixtures. The use of energy released as heat released from the bulbs is no problem — we need heat in the wintertime.

    In the summertime, we run LED’s. Because CFL’s are stupid, and for stupid people.

    You are a bit too full of yourself to be a practical and effective leader, so come back in a while.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Conservation of mass is probably never mentioned for the same reason that conservation of bozon number is never mentioned.

  • ben smith

    I’ve never met a republican that is on welfare and mooches off of the working class

  • Tim Karlson

    On his spare time he indulges in yoga… On his spare time? Cannot and will not read any more of his work.

  • Moohamed

    Can’t get simpler then an incandescent bulb, a heater that happens to spit some light out! So I fully agree with you on that.

    They are the ones that make me sit back and wonder just how they managed to survive early child hood.

  • ben smith

    Maybe you guys can go blow each other, like the entire democratic party

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Then you are a fool for supplementing your gas/oil heat with electric heat since electric heating is more expensive than either of the others.

  • Moohamed

    WTF?

    Saving energy and utilizing high efficiency tech is stupid? Lay of the glue it is effecting your cognitive abilities.

  • ben smith

    Lol, wow, fuuuuu king moron

  • Moohamed

    Unless using a geothermal heat pump, for every watt burned you gain apx 2.5 to 3w of heat moved! plus you recover some of the electrical waste heat from the compressor!

  • danb82

    Again , you are assuming.

    I don’t have gas/oil heat available to me.

    Does that change your supposition, King?

  • Tommywindows

    Ben, don’t get too worked up over Vendicar. Who is really Scott Nudds, an ex-pat, now in Canada.
    Living a lie.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He can’t complete intellectually so he resorts to an attempt at sexual degradation.

    Republicans are like that…. Lying Scumbags, all of them.

  • Moohamed

    there’s the sharp gop intellect we all love.

  • ben smith

    Bahahahaha

  • danb82

    No, he and others are fools for having and applying the libertarian all-or-nothing mindset.

    It’s all gray. We are not limited to black or white – no matter what the “sky is falling” author would start you believing.

  • silverbackV

    You site a government source? What a clone, what a mind numbed putz, what a maroon!

    Myth: liberals have cognitive minds and can use logic to form their own opinions!

    I’m just s solid thinking guy, on his way to church the thank the almighty God for such a wonderful life on such a beautiful planet. But as roses have thorns, the earth has liberals. We gotta take the bad with the good. That is until you return to your home planet.

  • danb82

    Again, you are wrong. I don’t have gas or oil available to me.

    Does that change your supposition, king?

  • ben smith

    You talk Like your so much better than every one. Steep hill to climb, especially for a Canadian like yourself.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Then you have never met a Republican.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I would like to know how they manage to feed themselves.

    It must take all of their mental powers just to lift the spoon to their lips.

    Who would hire such ignorant, incompetent, people?

  • Vern Clinton

    I found it interesting how the incorrect use of only one word, “inhabitable” instead of “un-inhabitable” completely screws up the effect of the article.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    What lie would that be?

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Run away… Inferior… Run away….

  • ben smith

    Read this about vendicar

  • ben smith
  • ben smith

    Your a Canadian Bahahaha

  • silverbackV

    No problem moo boy, you didn’t factor in the COST of the incandescent bulb did you? Of course not. You were to busy fretting about the twist in your panties. If you could only grow a pair, they would act as a guide, not only in your thinking, but would also prevent those pesky panties from getting in a bunch.

  • Steve Svensson

    AIrcraft and fracking are releasing just as much, if not more nitrogen, and phosphate into the environment, but not a word about them. Is it all the farmers fault. And what about cloud seeding, which is devastating to the environment. Now they are finding iodide too..that stuff will destroy aquatic environment, allowing cyanobacteria to thrive in the waterways.

  • Moohamed

    sky can not fall it is gas, how ever we can do allot to either pollute this gas we rely on to live, or we all can do our part to keep it clean and livable, and for it to work we ALL need to do it.

    So albeit not 100% it is heavily slanted to one side. Using a light bulb is stupid, no nice way to say it, it is a lousy heater and lousy light emitter, it sucks at both. For the time it was invented it was a giant leap in tech but it has long since been surpassed.

    want heat? Get a purpose built heater, it will be much more efficient, then an incandescent light bulb, better yet upgrade your windows and insulation and door seals then you do not even need the supplemental heat.

    So I agree with you it is not black and white, but it is slanted, and there are far more effective efficient options out there.

  • ben smith

    You cant even vote on a federal level you dumb xanadian prick. How’d that free health care you dumb janitor Bahahaha I KNEW YOU WERE AMORON

  • danb82

    WOW… NICE DETECTIVE WORK. I’ve got that in my records now and when he writes to me “”My aim will be much more precise than simple
    looting.” , and you post info he’s been arrested for threats, well, I guess these internet post boards really do work. LOL

  • VendicarDecarian0

    True. I am referring to electric heating rather than electric heat pumps.

  • HalfMooner

    I suspect you are right. Just as longing for a golden yesterday that never really existed is a motivation to the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    In the US, it seems many conservative people look through a distorted lens at the 1950’s for their romantic dream of the past. I’ve lived in that decade, and recall the duck-and-cover nuclear war drills in school, the marginalization of women and people of color (don’t even mention gays!) — and thoughts of a better future. All in all, I think these are better times.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Why should anyone believe your insanity ben?

  • danb82

    I’m already living in a house that is half-buried, has 6″ of insulation, PV cells, we save rainwater for the garden, we grow most of our greens, hunt game, have free-range chickens, and right now the house is 58 degrees. We move from top floor in the winter to lower floor in the summer so we don’t need to run the AC. I have LED lights on most times, and start sleeping when it gets dark and then wake up near sunrise. Naturally. You won’t find many users of this Earth more considerate than we are. Thanks.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    We are on the same page HalfMooner. Conservatives be they American Republicans or members of the Taliban are motivated by the same principles, and have essentially the same goals.

    It is quite clear that the Republican party is engaged in wholesale treason against America.

  • ben smith
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  • projob66

    this article was really mistake laden, and kind of high school level.. When the first sentence uses inhabitable vice uninhabitable, you really have to doubt the proofreading.. not good Mr. Hailey. Rewrite and Resubmit by monday please…

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Of course I vote at the federal level.

    And I intend to vote for the Hillary/Warren ticket as many times as Deibold will allow.

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Sorry. I’ve never been arrested for making a death threat.

    I have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

    Everyone knows about you now. I knew you were a moron. Not to mmention, Canadian

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You can keep posting that fantasy all you like Ben. It doesn’t make it true.

    It is just Republican slander.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

    The facts about vendicar here at this link. Don’t fall for his bs

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Can you prove that Ben?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    When Republicans lose the argument they resort to slander.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

    Vendicardecarian0 info is here at this link. The guy is a Canadian. A fraud, lair, crazy wacko. Proof is here at this link.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like all Republicans he resorts to dishonest slander when he loses the argument.

  • danb82

    ROTFLMAO . You got them pegged, it seems.

    And you as a Canadian would know that best, of course.

    LOL .

    PETA much , too? Greenpeas stomping over sacred ancient lands?

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • the lord high executioner

    inhabitable means capable of being lived in. I stopped reading at that point.

  • danb82

    Because it fits your insanity.

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Given that your link is nothing but slanderous fiction, I would say you know nothing of me.

    Ignorance is job #1 for Republicans like Ben.

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Hardly. But it does fit yours.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

    Everything you Need to know about vendicar. The American that fled to Canada.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.

  • ben smith

    All the way to Canada, you hypocritical loser.
    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans..

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans…

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans…..

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans……

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.,

  • Charles Dumas

    Anyone else notice that as soon as a political party or ideology is mentioned in an article related to science, the level of intelligence of the conversation drops just below the temperature of the ass-end of Pluto. Now we’re just missing religious nuts and we have a party.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.,,

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.,,,

  • ben smith
  • danb82

    Tell us something we don’t already know, but this time don’t use it as support of “the sky is falling” directive.

    Tell ya what. You remove yourself from the equation, and we’ll instantly see released all the resources you would normally use — freed up for Mother Nature. And what’s best, we’ll see less propaganda. That sounds like the best plan I’ve seen here yet.

    Go Canada!!!

  • krk

    You may be on to something. Educational spending, government fraud & entitlement, organized labor, bank regs that we were told would rein in our largest banks (TBTF) have led to triple digit growth in the very banks that we were supposed to “save”, and a President that has added $8 triilion in debt in almost 6 years in office, etc.

    As for this story? Hogwash from the Dems who are looking for more tax income.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Republicans are the enemies of science.

  • ben smith
  • ben smith
  • krk

    you really are an idiot (and I have only read 4 or your 1,000 posts)

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    That 8 trillion has been spend almost exclusively on keeping Americans fed, and in their homes.

    Without it, America would be in the first third of the 30 year long Economic depression that Bush and the band of Republican traitors caused.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • ben smith
  • Charles Dumas

    Just to be clear I mean ANY and EVERY political party. They speak the same language with a different accent. Blame others for everything and fail just as spectacularly when faced with the same problems.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    It is interesting that krk has no user info, and therefore no history of posting.

  • danb82

    Again, and I don’t know why this post never stays around (you are probably flagging it since it doesn’t fit with your narrative) but I do NOT have access to oil or gas heat. So we make do with HP’s. And incand bulbs don’t hurt us in the winter, therefore.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.,,

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Then get a geothermal heat pump and reduce your heating costs by 50% or more.

  • krk

    Not so. They usually hit the bottle. But, I can’t remember the last time that conservative republicans lost an argument during the obama experiment? Unless you count lies as arguments?

  • ben smith
  • danb82

    Again, my posts explaining to you and the rabid Canadian here have failed to stay. I already use PV for some electricity,. the house is at 58 degrees here now, dual heat pumps for upper and lower levels. When winter comes, we move upstairs. Summer, downstairs. 6″ insulation in all walls, half buried 1st floor.

    Why my previous version of this post was deleted, I don’t know. Wouldn’t want the voice of reason to have substantial info backing up claims, I guess.

  • ben smith
  • danb82

    Again, my posts explaining to you and the rabid Canadian here have failed to stay. I already use PV for some electricity,. the house is at 58 degrees here now, dual heat pumps for upper and lower levels. When winter comes, we move upstairs. Summer, downstairs. 6″ insulation in all walls, half buried 1st floor.
    Why my previous version of this post was deleted, I don’t know. Wouldn’t want the voice of reason to have substantial info backing up claims, I guess.

  • krk

    Look at your f-ing posts and tell me about your morality again…

  • VendicarDecarian0

    False.

    If that is what you believe, then you are a slovenly thinker who isn’t paying attention.

    Republicans are pure ignorance, pure corruption, pure treason.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans./

  • ben smith
  • ben smith
  • danb82

    At an average cost of $150-200 a month for EVERYTHING that runs this enterprise, swapping to geo heat would never pay off in time to make it worth the investment.

    More likely we MAY install a gasification wood burning boiler and run the pumps with PV power and DC batteries. We have 20 acres of hardwoods to feed a burner. Plenty of wood and it is always falling naturally.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar…

  • ben smith

    And you’re a Canadian ahahahaha making you a traitor. Facts here at https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Arrest Bush for war crimes
    Torture Bush
    Charge Bush
    Torture Bush
    Convict Bush
    Torture Bush
    Torture Bush
    Torture Bush

    Publicly Execute Bush.

    Then move on to Cheney, Rice, Perle and he others.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Only Republican lies are found at that link Ben.

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.//

  • ben smith

    He keeps cutting and pasting responses over and over, avoiding this….https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

  • krk

    Right out of Wikipedia. This board and the Daily Science Journal is garbage.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.///

  • ben smith
  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    Ya, just go wood. It is polluting in terms of particulates, but use one of the new EPA sanctioned fireplaces.

    Wood is carbon neutral.

  • Charles Gangel

    You lost me at “inhabitable”. That’s a pretty basic word, which I don’t think you meant to use.

  • ben smith

    Your not even American.

    Facts about vendicar are here

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.;

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.;;

  • danb82

    Every tomorrow is better than today nowadays. Whether or not you get to believe in it depends on whether or not you have hyperbole or foolishness in the m s m to guide us. Like the article bringing us all together here. or all the talk about “parties”.

    There is no two-party system anymore. It’s us and them. Period. On their side are corporations. On our side are you and me and the Canadian, fighting over something so stupid as whether or not we can use incandescents in the wintertime, when clearly I use only LED’s or those forsaken and poisonous CFL’s in the summer.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.;;;

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.’

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.”

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Republicans believe many stupid things.

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.

  • ben smith
  • danb82

    First off, screw the EPA.

    Second, I’m not talking about a fireplace. I’m talking about a gasification furnace, outside, that heats water and leaves natural ash, which my garden will always need. And if not, I’ll make soap out of the ash. NOT!!

    The heated water gets circulated into a heat-exchanging water tank, and also into our forced-air heat exchanger. Check them out. Great thing for under 10-15 grand excepting installation, which I’m able to do.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You do realize don’t you danb82, that CFL’s use the same materials as regular FL tubes used in office buildings by the billions.

    They do need to be replaced of course, LED replacements are now available.

  • ben smith
  • VendicarDecarian0

    You are clearly intellectually inferior.

  • danb82

    And I should care why about commercial lighting? Because two wrongs make a right?

    Again, your rhetoric is lacking.

    I’m taking care of my own. You make your Paleo-Liberal-Repulsivelican friends take care of the commercial side. Get off my back.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Do you have any proof of that?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.”

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I presume you work, shop and are exposed to the environment where standard tubular FL bulbs are used.

    Virtually all Americans are. They whine and moan about CFL’s because they are ignorant of the larger number of FL tubes they are exposed to every day.

  • danb82

    No, they whine about CFL’s because they don’t like being told they have to modify their homes and personal space, when corporations do NOT have to do so, and what’s more , the dictators and kings continue to jet around the world in , well, JETS.

    We the people are not the sole source of the problem, or even the major contrib. And I can assume you people like me are NOT the problem. So like I said, get off my back. Take your Canadian whine to the RepulseLicrat politicians who at this time are owned and loved every day by the corp-ulations.

  • danb82

    again, posts NOT in line with this artice keep disappearing.

  • danb82

    I said SCREW the EPA.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I’m not sure how screwing in a replacement light bulb requires a modification of their homes.

    But there is obviously a lot of mental illness and rampant stupidity in America.

    Who can explain the actions of the mentally ill?

  • danb82

    And I am talking about a wood burning gasification boiler that makes hot water for the air handling unit, as well as exchanging heat to the hot water heater here.

    And it give up ash for my garden.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Wikipedia is smarter than you are Krk.

    But then so is a flatworm.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.]

  • danb82

    When your home is kept at 65 degrees or lower, CFL’s take a LONG time to put out acceptable light. We agree. Glad to see.

    Your contention that “a lot” of anything exists here is based on what you read – not what you live. I can’t say more than that. Good luck with your dreams.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.]]

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You must mean like Timothy McVeigh who murdered over 100 Americans including women and Children to further the Republican Cause.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Yes of course I site a government source. Government funds virtually all science.

    Do you ever intend to seek treatment for your mental disease Ape Boy?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Typically incandescent bulbs are replaced several times a year, but lets say 2 times a year on average.

    They cost about a buck so over 4 years you spend 8 bucks on bulbs.

    With CFL bulbs on the other hand you pay $4.00 up front per bulb and they last 4 years. So you save $4.00 on bulbs plus don’t pay for the energy they don’t consume,

    CFL’s consume about 1/5 the energy of an incandescent bulb.

    So lets assume you run a typical 60 watt incandescent for 8 hours a day, for 4 years. That bulb, or set of bulbs consumes 700 kilowatt hours of energy, at a cost of around 13 cents per kilowatt hour, for a total of around $91.

    A CFL however uses only 1/5 the energy, saving $72 per bulb over the lifetime of the bulb.

    Adding in the higher cost of the incandescent bulb set that the CFL replaces and the savings are $76 over 4 years.

    So scrape up $4.00 and in a year you will have saved $18 bucks on your electric bill. Use that money to purchase 4 more CFL bulbs. In the year that follows you will save $90, and you can use that money to replace all of the rest of the bulbs in your home with CFLs.

    From that point on you save over $100 a year.

    This is only rocket science to those who are numerically illiterate.

    You can add and subtract can’t you Ape Boy?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I assisted a friend in building a home with 6 inch thick walls filled with insulation.

    It pretty much heats itself via solar in the daytime. Even when overcast, due to it’s south facing windows.

    At night it is heated with a wood stove. Floor area 8,000 square feet I think.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Sounds good.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    That is a common sentiment held by American Fascists.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    That is a common sentiment held by American Fascists..

  • danb82

    8000 square feet is the home of a greedy king. It’s a mansion. A home 80 feet wide by 100 feet long. But whatever. Maybe they have 11 kids. Or maybe they are Americans.

    This place has 6″ of insulation around 6″ of concrete, which provides thermal mass stability. And it is under 2500sf. And more than 4 people would need.

  • danb82

    Again, my post explaining what heating system I have, and what I propose to move to, again has been deleted by the mod, it seems.

    This isn’t really a science journal if my valid counterpoints are being deleted. I can therefore say this is a propaganda rag.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans./

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Arrest Bush for war crimes
    Torture Bush
    Charge Bush
    Torture Bush
    Convict Bush
    Torture Bush
    Torture Bush
    Torture Bush

    Publicly Execute Bush.

    Then move on to Cheney, Rice, Perle and he others.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    They take about 60 seconds to warm up.

    So what?

  • danb82

    Turning them on, and then off, when done in a room stresses the circuitry, which then makes the impact of the poisonous content that much more threatening.

    And they still suck while we are waiting for them to warm up.

    In the rooms that get lit and stay lit, we use CFL’s . Everyplace else, NO THANK YOU.

    What is more healthful? Turning on an incand bulb for 3 minutes? Or turning on a CFL, and having it die an early death, and taking its poisons into a landfill? Or incurring the cost of recycling?

    And your kind tells me I can’t have incand bulbs but I can have CFL’s . How insane are you people?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Ya, it was a big house. But then the dollar cost of heating was zero.

  • ben smith
  • ben smith
  • ben smith
  • danb82

    The more I chat with you, the more I’m thinking you are full of lies.

    Heating is not the only cost. You have AC to consider.

    Second, a big house is the house of a greedy freak. For all the spouting you have done here today, for you to call someone who has an 8KSF house a “friend” shows us just how screwed up your your mind is.

    Later.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Energy star rated CLF’s are rated for one on/off cycle every 2 hours.

    There is no release of toxic chemicals when they are turned on or off.

    Which is more healthful? It depends on the means by which the energy was produced.

    If it is produced from the burning of Coal, over the lifetime of an incandescent bulb, more mercury is emitted into the environment rough burning the coal needed to power the bulb than is contained in a CFL bulb.

    Further, with a CFL bulb over it’s lifetime, the mercury content in the bulb decreases as the mercury plasma embeds itself into the glass as the bulb is used.

    CFL’s should be replaced with LED over time, but not because of some silly view that CFL’s are dangerous, but because LED lamps last longer and are now using less energy than CFL’s of the same brightness.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill. .

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill. ..

  • ben smith

    Always repeating the same response, just like the claims say in this forum.
    Read this about vendicar.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A

  • VendicarDecarian0

    There is no AC in the place. It isn’t needed.

    The basement is half buried and with open windows, provides all of the cooling needed.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.. .

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill. …

  • ben smith

    visit https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A to see facts about vednicardecarian0 and hiw hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims

  • ben smith

    visit https://groups.google.com/foru… to see facts about vednicardecarian0 and how hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims

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    visit https://groups.google.com/foru… to see facts about vendicardecarian0 and how hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims

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    visit https://groups.google.com/foru… to see facts about vendicardecarian0 and how hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims.

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    visit https://groups.google.com/foru… to see facts about vendicardecarian0 and how hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims

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    visit https://groups.google.com/foru… to see facts about vendicardecarian0 and how hes a Canadian and is known for lies and false claims.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A Vendicardecarian0 is a lying Canadian and these are the facts here.

  • ben smith

    https://groups.google.com/foru… Vendicardecarian0 is a lying Canadian and these are the facts here.

  • ben smith

    Visit https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A to read about vendicardecarian0. Hes a liar, and a traitor.

  • ben smith

    Visit https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A to read about vendicardecarian0. He’s a liar, and a traitor.

  • ben smith

    Visit https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A to read about vendicardecarian0. He’s a liar, and a traitor..

  • ben smith

    Visit https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.global-warming/Hd3OBDmT82A to read about vendicardecarian0. He’s a liar, and a traitor.

  • ben smith

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  • ben smith

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  • ben smith

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  • danb82

    CFL’s die fast if you turn them on and off, and that makes them dangerous. Again, what is wrong with you? All your crap is theoretical bs. If I say a CFL doesn’t fit the need and an incandescent does, you are wrong to argue.

  • Beaded Pez

    If you were intelligent, it would be “you’re”.

  • Francois

    It’s actually strange as a South African myself as we see Republicans as far right individuals, conservative and dangerous. The Republicans will only be successful in extremely backwards countries, unfortunately in America, Republicans are like a religion. Which scares me as it reminds me of Islam or something similar.

  • Wrabble

    “Like a typical Republican he resorts to childish slander when he loses the argument.

    Filthy Scumbags, Republicans.”

    Thanks, I am enjoying the irony of your persistently slanderous comments like that one.

  • Francois

    Not American here, but I have heard that some Republican’s are also known for incest. I’m astounded that you guys can still function in somewhat “normal” capacity after all the in-breeding. For this I applaud you.

  • Wrabble

    “Typically incandescent bulbs are replaced several times a year, but lets say 2 times a year on average.”

    Huh? Let’s not say that, because it is false.

    About half of the nine 65 watt incandescent bulbs in my kitchen have been there since I installed recessed ceiling lights – TEN YEARS AGO! And fewer than half of the similar 24 bulbs in my basement have ever been replaced.

    In contrast, over that same period I have had to replace every single fluorescent bulb in my house either once or twice.

  • Cletus B Neckbeard

    Let’s say the truth. You need to buy better incandescents. Mine last far longer than that.
    Why do you communists lie so much?

  • silverbackV

    So now you’ve added faulty math along with your faulty science. It is good to see you expanding your horizons. You must buy your incandescent bulbs at Tiffany’s if your paying a buck apiece. Who changes them for you.

    Why did you not include the cost of disposal to your faulty calculations? Or do you just send your CFL’s to the land fill to add your Mercury to the ground water.

    Why are you people so inconsistent? Studies are all skewed to the aims, goals and ambitions of those funding the studies. When you through in government ineptitude you are writing a recipe for bone head science. Most of it is anyway. Once the pie hits the ground behind the bull, real science is over. Grab a shovel, be usefull.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    I got here in the 60’s and like to look back at movies from that period and wonder how anyone could possibly defend the misogyny, racism, and white male smugness of that period.

    Modern society is definitely an improvement in those areas.

    Republicans really want to take America back to the stone age.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.”

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.”.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.”..

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Virtually all Republicans are Whacko Christians.

    It is easy to see why the Republican movement is based on lies. They were indoctrinated into a cult where lying to themselves is a pre-requisite (christianity).

    Once you are accustomed to lying to yourself about religion, it is easy to lie to yourself about all other aspects of your world view.

    Republicanism is a perpetual failure because is built upon and saturated by lies, deceit, ignorance and corruption.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Typical incandescent bulbs last 1,000 to 2,000 hours, so typically need replacement about twice a year.

    Long life incandescent bulbs are available but they are even less efficient than the others.

    The energy cost of running those long life bulbs exceeds the cost of the bulb itself.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Incandescent bulbs

    Life: Short (from 750 to 2000 hours)

    http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/resources/publications/lpbh/061Incandescent.pdf

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Feel free to show where there is faulty math, ape boy.

    You wouldn’t know because you can’t add or subtract.

    “Why did you not include the cost of disposal to your faulty calculations?” – Ape Boy.

    OK, I’ll do it now. Cost of disposal $0.

    There… Done…

    “Or do you just send your CFL’s to the land fill to add your Mercury to the ground water.” – Ape Boy

    I do. Over the last 20 years I have sent 10 of them to the land fill, adding a few micro-grams of mercury to the environment.

    But then by their usage, and greater efficiency, I have prevented much more mercury entering the environment through the unnecessary burning of coal.

    You, poor, ignorant, fool.

  • rainydayinterns

    The word “habitable” and “inhabitable” means the same…livable. So we found it amusing when we think the author clearly meant “un-inhabitable!!!”

  • Wrabble

    And yet none of my cfl bulbs lasts anywhere near the rated time while my regular incandescents all last longer than theirs.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Ya. I keep hearing that from Republican whiners.

    Yet testing shows the opposite, as does the experience of everyone I know.

    I’ve replaced maybe 10 bulbs over 15 years.

  • Shep Schultz

    Then they must use a different standard to measure CFLs. Mine seem to last about 2 months. My incandescents, of which I have around 200 stockpiled, last around a year.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Clearly you are lying.

    Republicans lie with every breath they take.

  • pakilolo

    Ben…Ben…Ben. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? We all have compassion for your obvious suffering. But….using crude language is not acceptable…even for stupid Republicans. So…what asylum are you commenting from.

  • pakilolo

    The human species is committing suicide. Climate Change has so many feed back loops that our understanding of how the natural system works is miniscule. The destruction of our agricultural land and top soil has been a known catastrophe for many years. Within two decades we will have extinguished life in the oceans along with trashing it. Methane release from the warming Russian Arctic will release as much green house gas as has been spewed into the atmosphere since the 1850s. That could happen any time now. Game over. The Human Experiment Over. This information is not on Fox News or CNN.

  • Shep Schultz

    Sure.
    *********

    Why don’t you repeat your version of the Republican Declaration of War on America in 1980? That lie is always good for a laugh.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    No problem.

    Here is the Republican declaration of war on America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XObcP69dhCg

  • OutWest Landowner

    You’re the one with Kruger-Dunning disease. Your standard propaganda only serves to convince decent human beings that evil like you will not be eradicated until the second coming and we have to always be prepared to protect ourselves.

  • OutWest Landowner

    You admitted to being Canadian to me last summer. But leaf-wing Marxist nut cases like you is unable to keep your constant barrage of lies straight.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Republicans will need to protect themselves, for are all traitors and soon they will be hunted and killed in the street for sport.

    God be praised.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Poor Ben. He loses the argument and like a all Republicans he resorts to posting lies and slander.

    He is quite mentally ill.. .

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Do you have any proof of that?

    What I said was that I will soon be dancing on the smoldering ashes of your burned out cities.

    From that you probably assumed I was Canadian.

  • Dean Welch
  • OutWest Landowner

    You deny you admitted being Canadian? You, derp, are pathological.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    So you have no evidence then.

  • OutWest Landowner

    You must be a twin pimple off of Barack’s a$$ to feel you can be smug because you are thrilled I am not interested in digging up the actual dialogue where you made the statements. I know you are a Canadian as you have referenced in so many of your troll episodes in the past.

  • kmedia

    This is a fake news article:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/emrahaktepe (real person’s profile)

    Read more about the fake site here:

    googlenewsspam.com/index_.php

    Tell Google to stop letting fake news sites mislead readers.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    You are a pathetic loser.

  • Shep Schultz

    Dean! Where ya been?

  • Shep